have the same versions of the nsa. >> i wonder if the usa is the best at doing it and does it more. >> people forget the purpose is intelligence and now that the policy has changed it can be that much more invasive. your talking about internet and communications that are beyond the sort of signals coming out of the air. the issues, the u.s. is on a much grander scale and much bigger but the nsa's job is to do foreign surveillance. that is what they do. so these countries understand that and they would do it too if they could. we have it on a bigger scale and do it better. >> the problem, then, is that the white house, and i go back to the same issue they have had since snowden leaked. they don't know what snowden has and there have been actual screaming matches with the nsa. you're the nsa, how do you not know what snowden took? >> it's amazing. it highlights the fact we're talking about this when the white house wants to be talking about iran. >> and she goes right before the president and hits him on nsa.