money locking up the wrong people. >> hmm. >> and speaking of libertarians, rand paul, a leading voice in this effort. testified in front of the senate judiciary committee yesterday. a little of what he had to say. >> the majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white. but 3/4 of the people in prison for drugs are african-american or latino. why are arrest rates so lopsided? it's frankly easier to go into the urban areas and make arrests than to go into suburban areas. arrest statistics matter when applying for federal grants. it doesn't take much imagination to understand it's easier to round up arrest and convict poor kids than it is to convict rich kids. >> tim, obviously highlighting, more of a structural issue than political fight saying it's it's a cost and justice. how important, though, is it to have a voice like rand paul leading the way in this fight? >> very important, because one