holding these protests, are trying to disrupt the company's business. >> well, yeah! >> yeah! >> that's how democracy works! you don't like democracy, michael. >> you can understand why walmart would be skeptical. and memberships don't lie. memberships have been declines through republican and democratic -- >> absolutely! >> it's because the idea of being in an employment relationship thads based on, say, merit instead of seniority, and something where you deal directly with the employees instead of bargaining with the union, these are out -- >> in germany, executives have unions. all of our economic competitors have unions. all of them. >> i've got to say, no one can argue with the empirical reality that unions are in steep decline. i would argue that it is because of a free choice set, in which workers decided not to be in unions. we saw after the 2010 midterm election cycle, in wisconsin and in other places, very clear policies set into place by state governments, to make union