directly, in between any of those forces. >> okay. there's a lot going on there. the very first piece is this idea that there are 11 opposition groups, but don't worry, we know the good guys from the bad guys. how likely is that to be true? >> i think that's absolutely true. and here's why. so i think it's well-known that the mainstream opposition in syria is there, but because there was a void created on the ground, with the state contracting or reattracting, so there was a void, lack of political will to help the syrian -- the mainstream opposition fill this void, definitely nefarious organizations and nefarious individuals started trickling into this country, into syria. and they've been a very good job of distributing social services. there's a desperate situation on the ground. people have no choice but to turn to some of these. but again, you look at the numbers. i think the key questions are, what are the numbers? you have, i think estimates, you have about 6,000 extremists in comparison with about 150 to