that is what we want to be doing in the world, but the administration this week sent out a new proposal for a market place-like system for institutions of higher learn. and if they failed to make the grade, they may no longer get the dollars. and the impact on historically black colleges and universities like moorhouse may be particularly acute. joining me now is lily garcia, who's vice president of the national education association and back with us, dorian warren, associate professor at columbia university. okay, i have all the feelings, and i know it's because this is my real job. so i had all the -- like, i get this is not everybody's biggest problem. but i really was astonished by this market place discourse. >> and i'm a sixth grade teacher from utah. and as i was looking at this, we want our kids in that pipeline to college. we want graduation to be the key to, you know, we'll get into higher education, whether that's trade school, community colleges, universities, you can