liking. >> well, that strikes you as reasonable and it does at that point, there are several reports the republicans are looking to drop the threat of a government shutdown this september if the affordable care act isn't dissolved. instead, they're looking at an approach that would result in something far worse, something like economic armageddon. and one of the reports comes from robert costa in the national review who writes, quote, sources tell me the house gop will probably avoid using a shutdown as leverage and instead use the debt limit and sequester fights as areas of trades. negotiations over increasing the debt limit have been used to wring concessions out of the administration. so there may be movement in that direction. delay obamacare in exchange for an increased debt limit. we were asked by "hardball" about these reports and using the debt ceiling limit.