very -- american companies have a history of keeping that information secret. managers tried to hold that information close to thems. you ste in certain environments where there is areas transparent and unionized areas but it works and creates a better place. >> you've used it how many years? a decade? >> this actual level of transparency about two or three years. and originally we broadcast out every fact to people and that became stressful so you now it's a work in progress. >> dane atkinson, which appears to be best in your statistics, successful so far. thank you for coming by. >> thank you so much. >> and for being so transparent. >> yes. >> that wraps up this hour of jansing and co on. thomas roberts is up next. pretty abouting, huh, thomas? >> i like your question. how much do you make? i have an answer for you. not enough. not enough. richard, thanks, buddy. coming up next hour the gripping new public service announcement that uses trayvon martin's death to get voters involved in changing stand your