prosecutors trying to lay out their cases to why there shouldn't be a legal action because of various gifts that mcdonnells from this guy who are -- >> john, we hear like if virginia, these gifts aren't illegal. you can give people -- >> you can drive a truck through virginia disclosure laws. >> exactly. >> i used to cover richmond, how come annapolis in maryland everyone is going to jail, scandals, virginia is totally clean. the reason virginia is totally clean, none of the stuff under virginia law is against the law. you can do anything. >> right. >> these guys are in hot water not with virginia law, joe, with federal law. it's really, really serious when your legal team is taking meetings with federal prosecutors as governor mcdonnells were yesterday. >> what is he accused of doing exactly? >> what are the feds coming after him for? >> there is -- they're looking at the fact that the mcdonnell family family, governor mcdonnell says his wife was doing all the stuff he didn't know, they were taking all kinds