>> or tougher, i would argue, in this specific panel. >> ari brings down the average. >> i thought you were going to make more of a joke there. >> that's a family quarrel. i'm not getting into that. >> great to have you here. i definitely agree with the cover choice to have kate upton. not something we get to do at the nation magazine. i'm down with it. the question i want to ask is about policy. in the piece you look at the map of the world, and americans like to think we're exceptional and in the lead. you point out we're one of only eight countries that doesn't actually require paid maternity leave. >> there we are with liberia. >> tell us about how that policy dynamic plays into this. >> well, the interesting thing from our survey is equal numbers of men and women, republicans and democrats, all above 80% said that they felt that paid maternity leave should be federally mandated. what does that mean? that means everybody supports women working and working full time and having the full support