racial unequinequality. >> but, this is what i find to be so valuable about these testimonies recently. both president obama's and winfreys which is there's this idea of sort of, you know, people getting sorted a little bit. these folks are good, these are bad. you can tell these people are climbing up and these are not. there's not. folks come, they look all kinds of way and still get essentialized in this way. >> this is a very old part of sort of a civil rights movement that goes all the way back to the turn of the century when much of the initial responses, i'll just tell you the story again of plessy v. ferguson, that establishes separate but equal. actually has to tell the train conductor that he's breaking the color barrier at that time. and part of what these initial civil rights movements were, all the way back to the turn of the 20th century was about this question of whether or not those who were respectable enough and wealthy enough to buy first-class passage on trains could, would, in fact, be allowed to sit with their class