nomination in 2016. there are a lot of people thinking about running. there are a lot of potentially attractive candidates to republican voters. and i think we're going to see a pretty big and robust debate among these people, and partpeo. and part of that will be what's the direction the party should take. >> the establishment wing -- and the establishment wing of both parties, they tend to win nominations. they've got the big states behind them. doing the establishment wing of the republican party can get one more election victory? can they win after all these people like mccain and bushes, can they win against the right? because the right hasn't won since reagan really. >> the right has not won since then is probably the fair way to put it. the establishment wing does somehow manage to prevail. and in part because the insurgent wing or very conservative wing or however you describe it often come to far to