they're going to go after her and call her a lefty. they're going to go after benghazi every night of the week. it's going to be a vicious attack on her. they're going to play to their own crowd. so this isn't going up against john mccain or going up against a regular republican like even romney. this is going to go up potentially against the hardest right there is. >> no question about it. and then again, that's a decision she wants to make. does she want to undergo a year and a half or two years of that type of stress. but let me tell you, if you go back to her first testimony at the first benghazi hearing, she handled those tough old boys pretty well. i don't think hillary clinton is going to back down to anybody. she believes what she believes. she is strong. she is lucid. she is clear, and nobody is going to scare hillary clinton. if i would tell you an american politician that is fearless right now, it's her. >> do they know they had the wrong team last time when they ran? do they know they didn't have the right advisers? >> we all made it clear to them. i think they know that.