behavior, they're doing their best. and we are asking the psychiatrist for their help on this political story, which needs definite psychiatric input. can you help us with the new york voter and the public? and why people see this so differently from actual sex scandals that involved actual touching a human being, like as in the bill clinton case, ari and i have been having trouble, seeing why this outrages people. it seems, especially liberals and democrats who defend it, the bill clintons of the world and others. they are completely horrified by this conduct for some reason. >> well, it is striking to me -- >> what is wrong with them? >> you know, what i am most struck by is the fact that -- again, it is a sexual behavior, acting out. it certainly is a behavior that we don't expect from a politician or somebody in public office. >> ari and i do, we know politicians.