conversations with mitch mcconnell. i just assumed these were going on all the time. it only takes three minutes to walk front one of their offices to the other. they see each other on the floor but never see each other one on one. >> what would you say is -- has this been just a slow evolution that has gotten the senate into a more house-like atmosphere or was there a trigger? is it the bork fight right? the is it, you know, some people like to point to bork. is that the trigger? >> that certainly was a major trigger, no question about it. i think media attention. a senator can stand up on the froor and make the most -- >> kr6c-span, we should blame c-span? >> the more attention they get, they become little rock stars and you get brand-new senators. out of the current senators, 56 are in their first six year