sort of parallel. having confusion with horizontal, perpendicular at the trial, but i think the indication was they were parallel and maybe on the concrete. so that's going to come up next. >> -- okay and is it a male or female? >> the second position where he said this is the mounted position or the ground and pound was occurring. this is where he said it happened. closer up to the cement. again, consistent with what mrmr. mr. zimmerman was saying when he was talking to the officers. or you decide if it's consistent or not. >> sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i think they're yelling help but i don't know. just send someone quick please. >> does he look -- >> the third position is when john good as he was leaving said they sort of come down away a little bit. mr. zimmerman said he was trying