to consider that the issue is not just about the numbers. >> i talk a lot about math but the senate's decision about student loans is a decision about our values and a decision about how we build a future. we shouldn't treat our students like a profit center. we shouldn't ask them to pay an extra tax to go georgia to school, and we shouldn't try to trick them by shuffling numbers around, hitting them with teaser rates and declaring that a problem is solved while students just keep paying more and more. >> joining us now from capitol hill, democratic senator from ohio, sherrod brown. senator brown, thanks so much for joining us. please, please bring us some good news from capitol hill. there has been so much reason for heartache this morning and i ask you with, senator, do you think that the student loan question is something the senate can and will do something about before the august recess? >> well, we should. i can't predict because it's not even reasonable about what