talk to people. so that's one of the reasons why he was able to live there so successfully for so long. >> you know, in it weren't so serious, phillip, it would almost be an "snl" skit. apparently there's an automobile stopped, bin laden's in the car. somehow the driver negotiates with whom made the stop and he gets off where, perhaps, we would have had him. >> you know, i think we have to recognize two things here. first, i've been to pakistan. many of my colleagues has. this is not the united states. it's a chaotic third-world country where the state apparatus is not as pervasive, not as effective as what you're going to find in washington, d.c., or new york. the second and final thing is, let's give the pakistanis a bit of credit. they're not a great intelligence service. in terms of putting the military and paramilitary forces in pakistan up in the tribal areas in a civil war in pakistan that's now a decade long, losing thousands of their own people. they've shed a lot of blood in this fight so we might ridicule them for mistakes in this report, but they've also been in other respects in this fight with us. >> i was thinking pervez musharraf will be thrilled to see the result because many suspected perhaps he had some awareness. thank you, roger cressey,