i'll wait for an objection. >> okay. thank you. i think you were saying sort of the setting. so if you would continue. >> the setting was in the office cubicles. they were both sitting at chris serino's desk, chris in his own seat and an extra chair they had brought over to chris' desk so tracy martin could sit. i believe it was his girlfriend that was with him. and they were there to -- so that chris serino could explain to them why at this point an arrest couldn't be made. >> and it was your understanding that investigator serino was still in the beginning stages of the investigation. is that correct? >> yes. i believe it was either two or three days after the incident. >> and where were you sitting or standing while this conversation was occurring? >> i was sitting probably diagonal to the cubicles. the cubicles are sitting square and there is a path between them that you can walk through.