pro-mupro pro-muslim brotherhood, pro-islamic state. but there are a whole lot more egyptians out there who want change and they don't think that change is coming fast enough. >> wes, this brings up -- the question being whether to call this a coup or not a coup has i think put a the lot of people -- we found ourselves at a crossroads. to a certain degree, a large part of the egyptian population didn't want to see morsi go. there is also the argument that if you don't like what is happening in a democracy, you do not tear apart the threads that hold the democratic institution together to get -- change should happen within the institution. i don't even know how you begin to answer that what seems certain is that this region will be in chaos for some time given the lack of leadership. >> it is important that you say the region. this is -- this has implications that are much larger than simply just egypt. when we are talking about egypt, first talking about the second largest recipient of u.s. aid in the world.