other side. i have my own business and my wife had an extra room in there, so my office is right next to hers and we get along pretty well so that worked out very well for us. we have worked right next to each other for 15 years now. >> okay. >> would you -- would you just give us a feel for how the friendship between yourself and mr. zimmerman and/or his wife has grown over the past several years? >> our friendship really started with george often times coming to our offices, question always had the refrigerator full of