subsequent just the plumes of smoke that we saw you from close and far. captain button, i want to bring you back to the conversation because there are a number of runways around the country that resemble the runway we are looking at there in san francisco. >> yes, but this runway does have an overrun. >> okay. >> that is one of the really striking points here. there is that extra margin of safety but they didn't even get up to that point. >> we have a survivor speaking on kntv is that right, control room? let's listen in. >> maybe water then rocks. i can't tell, of course, i was in the plane. but i can tell you everything was fine, everybody was like getting ready to get out of the plane and we arrived and weather there was and sunny and nice and no visible issues. it was fine. >> you are listening to benjamin lindsey on the flight