anford and took a crystal clear picture of everything that happened. everything that happened from the time these two guys met, however he came out of the bushes, walked toward him, didn't walk toward him, everything including what looked to be a fight that ended in a wrestling match with a gun going off. i still people would have different verdicts. and the reason i say that, i'm asking you i should say that is because people talk about the surrounding context. they talk about the fact he shouldn't have gotten out of his car before the encounter occurred. he shouldn't have had this police mentality going on. he wasn't a cop, and all that and they say that's what matters. and not what happened in the scuffle. my question to you, is that a problem we have here, even the facts aren't going to clear this case? >> it might be. but chris, it's my understanding that some of the jurors up to four of them are familiar with, quote unquote, guns. it has been reported. and as a result, i believe that the fact that he left the car in