piece in a magazine, where they made a point, i won't take credit for it. that states tend to be very reluctant to act in concert with nonactors. and wikileaks, because he is now associated with them, it is not just about thumbing their nose at the united states. there is a sort of non-state actor at play here, which is wikileaks. >> let's listen, about the statements that were released by edward snowden yesterday. >> of course, i'm speculating here, i don't actually know who wrote it or who influenced it here. it seems like the core ideas were very much is consistent with now edward snowden thinks, but that it is sort of burned with a flavor that isn't him. the world knows how he expressed himself, the video, there were pointers made of my interviewing him. and he is very mild mannered.