incident. joining me now on the phone from rio do janeiro, glenn greenwald, who broke the story in yt the guardian." my first question, your reaction to this remarkable series of events. i've never heard of an example of a plane carrying a head of state being denied access to airspace by other countries that were not in some kind of active hostilities with that nation. >> it is extraordinary. i mean, the premise of this behavior presumably was that snowden was on that airplane because bolivia had decided to take him back to bolivia to either consider or grant him asylum. asylum is a centuries-old right in international law, and what this would essentially mean that western countries like portugal and france and presumably working cooperatively with the united states which is the one that really wants snowden, no longer recognizes amnesty as a valid concept of international