that's where you walk into the guy who just you know, stole eight cars in the neighborhood. >> exactly. >> and you have his fingerprints on six of them and he's just telling you he was in the library studying? >> correct. >> so that challenge interview as you walk in and go, you got one last chance, you're going to prison for a long time or you're telling me what happened. that's a real aggressive challenge interview, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so you have to modify the challenge interview style based on what it is you have to hit him with. >> exactly. >> had in this case, you didn't have much to hit him with, right? >> no, sir, i did not. >> so you sort of walk him through everything he had done. the reason why you're having him repeat everything in greater detail is again to eif you can wean out any inconsistencies from him, right? >> or omissions, are yes. >> yes, he may just break down and say thing city that didn't