where you can control his caucus and deliver them on a tough vote. immigration is a harder vote than the farm bill. so the idea that 70 votes -- you get 70 votes in the senate and gives you momentum to get through the house, i don't think that's going to apply. >> now, i want to switch subjects to maine. because maine, we know in the senate, has been -- there's a tradition of good governments from the senators from maine. we know olympia snow and susan collins and angus king subcommittee past bill cohen and george mitchell, a long history of maine producing wonderful public servants. about but then you come to governor paul le page. and chris and susan, i don't know how to explain this to people who haven't covered legislature. how do you have a governor now who has an edict that no one in his administration will even talk to reporters from the leading newspapers of the state to even give out a daily