figure on his own or do they see him as a leader? what is it? >> the people of west virginia the nra members, the people in west virginia are just pure, sincere law-abiding gun owners. they don't have a commercial interest. they don't have a $1 million salary. they don't have all the fringes that come with the trappings of washington. with that being said, what they're trying to do is basically look at this and make sense. when they start seeing what we've done to the bill, you know what they said? and you mean the nra in washington is against this? we've been fighting for some of these provisions for the last decade or more. and i said all -- i said, guess what? in 1999 the nra leadership in washington, pretty much the same people, were for this. i haven't changed. they changed, chris. >> congratulations, senator. you're doing something i believe people have to do in politics. if somebody is bad mouthing you, you have to straighten that story out so your friends will know you're right, they'll understand where you're coming from, and they won't believe the