more decades having this same conversation? >> joining me now is senator barbara boxer, democrat from california. a co sponsor of senator gillibrand's bill. what is your reaction to the fact that essentially this was killed today in committee? >> it was a bad day for the opportunity that we have to finally get things right here. you know, for 20 long years, various secretaries of defense have said, these words, we have zero tolerance for this kind of activity in the military. and we're not going to allow it, and every single secretary of defense never made the changes. we have to make the changes, just like australia did, great britain did. canada did. israel did, and what did they do? they took these vicious crimes outside of the chain of command. they have an interest prosecutor.