political points here, i think it is still productive that people are talking about the issue and through the noise i think we are getting a signal of whether programs like this -- >> i'm all for the debate, richard. however, i do think it is a difficult position for certain republicans, right? because -- >> just slightly. >> there was you hue and cry last summer about leaks, prosecuting leaks, our national security has been compromised. now post-stand with rand, civil liberties are sort of a la -- they're chic right now in the republican party and it makes eric cantor's job trickier. >> you could put it like that. they are exhibiting what they used -- republicans used to call a pre-9/11 mindset. this idea we'll fuss around about civil liberties and what the lawyers are think was supposed to be what democrats were doing before 9/11 and why we got into trouble and what we needed to do was connect the dots and make sure everything got scooped up and that's exactly what happened. the last segment, james bamford