homosexuals becomes very negative. >> when i saw your book, i was, like, what is this book about? we were both remarking on the fact that 1953, 2013, one senator decides he's got to commit suicide because he has an accusation that his son is gay. that is a remarkable change in 0 years. >> well, it is a remarkable change. though mark twain said history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. we still are confronted today with those situations in politics where politicians choose to demonize entire groups of people. today it's the muslims. there has been great progress in gay rights. it could have been resolved decades ago.