and i hope we do learn more about it. the technology of surveillance is going by leaps and bounds. the nsa is building a 2 billion dollar huge facility out in utah where they are going to store -- >> read joe's e-mails. >> seriously. by the way, i really don't care if people read -- i mean, my e-mails. i really don't. or skype or anything else. this is what bothers me. what i'm hearing from senators, okay? i'm hearing people say there is this attitude. well, if you aren't a terrorist and you got nothing to worry about. >> right. >> that's not why our founding fathers wrote the constitution and gave us these protections. maggie, what really bothers me is it's not just about barack obama or george w. bush. it seems like this is just a train that's been on the tracks for a long time and bill clinton