people in d.c., especially for affluent people in d.c. one thing we need to bring that diversity of experience is women in positions of power. but there are other measures that are harder to find on a demographic table that are ways to which -- >> can i add to that? i think it's important to note one-third of women who run say someone discouraged them from running. there used to be a time i think with female voters, well, i'm not going to vote for the women. you should vote for the women and i think that's changing. my donor base, my volunteer base, we will be led to victory because women voted for us. >> speaking of all the data, data show that when women are running in open seat races, they have just as much likelihood of winning as men, so the problem of not being able to win, it started out with all men and so the men are the incumbent so it's harder to win those seats. thank you for joining us both josh and rushma, carmen and joy are staying around because up next, we are going in.