don't have a sheryl shanedbeand some iconic figure leading the way. it's how they make a good of it without giving up. >> who would be like a good example of great sort of alpha dads? >> i think we could -- >> him. >> i'm serious. >> my god. donny deutsche? >> funny you said that about compromising the work. i'm in a different place in my work life' not working a hundred hours a week and have two little girls at home. i wouldn't trade it for the world. in my life curve i figured out how to do both and still have an exciting career and sharing with my family. >> i think it's harder for men in a way. you have the stereo types of a stay at home dad who is a loser and constantly getting notes from his wife. >> i have friends who both work and have young kids. one is not staying at home and