off of business, it's remarkable to me when you compare our airports to airports around the globe. the most powerful, dominant, enterprising nation on the face of the earth, how we treat visitors and how we treat our own. >> what's the better looking airport, johannesburg airport or jfk? jfk is not even in the game. this is in south africa. the country's been through hell. a beautiful airport. you know, pat moynihan, one of my heroes used to say, i'm sure yours, too, sherrod, he said we people in new york aught to arrive in new york city at penn station like princes, not like rats. every time you arrive in new york at penn state, you cannot believe you're in the greatest city in world. we have beautiful skyscrapers and stuff, but the train system, the subway system, especially the train system, is horrendous. >> i would agree. >> we unfortunately, since the early '80s, for 30 years we've let the republicans win the debate on the role of government that government can't go anything right. look what government has done from everything from medicare, to social security, cleaning up lake erie. what we've done with food