on a dysfunctional federal debate. you're an expert on the intricacies on washington. >> i don't think i'm an expert on anything. >> state and localities need to lead the way. one of the things we find over and over again is you create the reality and it acclimates people to fact that this can work. new york city is a perfect position to create that. cities like san francisco and new haven, connecticut have had the local i.d., it's worked well. it's helped drive down crime in new haven, connecticut. because more and more people engage the police because they were part of the system of working with government. so a lot of good effects here. >> i think, ron, the argument for immigration reform seems fairly water-tight to me. that's just me. and we talk about immigration reform happening at the national level. certainly it seems like it's moving in that direction and yet this weekend you had bob menendez saying we don't have 60 votes for immigration reform. you have this open letter from numbers usa which is a right wing group condemning immigration reform. and it was signed by 150