view. >> absolutely. and that was our greatest fear. speaking as an eagle scout myself, i spent more than 12 years in the program. i love scouting, it made me the man i am today, and taught me a lost incredible lifelong skills, gave me some of my best friends. i had some of my most important values. so this is an experience we want to be, you know -- accessible to all of america's young men. and the reality, if it they had maintained this ban on gay youth, they would have continued to move further and further from the mainstream from where the rest of america is. that's not something we want to have happen. we want the scouting experience available to all men and it is relevant and people want to participate. if you look at the polling data, even the self-identified conservatives, 45 to 42, support ending the ban on gay scouts. so i think that's really a testament about -- like jonathan was saying, where we are with discrimination not being an american value. equality being an american value. and how important this organization can be and why --