but two steps back in terms of the ultimate u.s. goals in the region in terms of fostering good will and/or radicalizing folks. >> i think there's some of that. as you said in 2009 and 2010, you see a tremendous spike in drone strikes in pakistan. and at some point do you have fewer targets and so there's going to be fewer drone strikes. but at the same time, you have seen in pakistan this tremendous backlash to the drone program. and in 2011, especially, great sort of divisions within the american government about the potential costs of the drone strikes. now even though we've seen the decline in drone strikes in pakistan, you've also seen last year, there was a big spike in operations in yemen. so some of the american operations have just short of shifted from pakistan to yemen. the obama administration really came into office and after a year in office, escalated the war in yemen and it's still