if in fact irs personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on, and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous. and there's no place for it they have to be held fully accountable. >> that was president obama reacting to reports that irs employees singled out conservative political groups for extra scrutiny prior to the 2012 election. joining the panel now is assistant managing editor for "time" magazine, rona fruhar. i want to start with you, jay carney spoke to this issue of the irs, local officials in the cincinnati office of the irs, that were looking at groups that were sending in applications to be 501 c 4. he said the irs is an independent enforcement agency with only two political appointees. now when he says these two