of the three states in the country that recognize a fetus as a living human being. and, therefore, if this is true, that's five counts of murder that'll be against him. >> well, that will be an interesting development politically in this country. let's go back to what we've been trying to figure out. i guess this is always -- this is like plato's republic trying to figure out what's going on in the cave. we've been trying to figure out a case and yet the questions grow. how he did it. how this one guy was able to seduce on three separate occasions over a year or two three different women. obviously competent young people. they were just seduced brilliantly by the lure of an easy ride. they've all said that. of course, the confidence that comes from believing that a person wouldn't completely make up a relationship with one of their friends with such manipulation. the normal assumption the person you're talking to is not criminally insane or a real criminal mind at work. then, of course, the ability to get them all to live together, to midwife each other, in one case, to avoid medical treatment