there's two of you, you're not going to get a deal. >> i don't think we're going to get a grand bargain. that implies you fix the problem, but when you have the majority in washington unwilling to embrace the kinds of reforms that make medicare solvent, i don't see a grand bargain happening. >> if you look at what the president has done, he has put forward two of their explicit requests. >> if we're going to ping-pong game here, you've done your shot. cpi, they owe you something in return. >> i think that some of them re recognize that to some degree, the ball is in their court. >> debt ceiling looks like september, october. is it going to be a crisis when it comes up and if so, is it going to be needed at the trigger to force the talks? >> yes. >> so, it is going to be a crisis and it's needed. >> yes. >> every single one of the half dozen proposals that have bor d , -- because the american people