engage them, pickering and others have shown this were made by special forces, not by political officials. third, the question about the talking points after the attack. the question as to whether or not this was a street demonstration or terrorist attack. look, general petraeus at the time according to many, "the new york times," much of the reporting all pointed to a street demonstration. it wasn't until later that they showed that it was, in fact, likely a terrorist attack. although we still don't have the facts on that. even if that is true, it doesn't pro prove anything. >> i'm still trying to -- >> we still -- we all know al qaeda exists even though it's been decimated. even if it turns out it was a terrorist attack and the initial intelligence was wrong, what is the import of that at the end of the day? >> fox news produced a story about mrs. clinton. it raises the claim she tried to prevent the state department's own team from responding to the benghazi attacks. but the state department's former head of counterterrorism