you have to accept had the structural reality of washington, the president does not pass legislation, the political system we have now is not even clearly the head of his or potentially her party. this is more indicative of our political culture than i think about obama's strengths or limitation. >> zachary karabell, mckay coppins and i cut you off because we are out of times, and rachel -- >> i'm used to it. >> and rachel smolkin, good to have all of you. thank you. have to bring you back when we have got more time to chat. >> thank you. as the immigration debate heats up at home, president obama talks about the issue on his latin american trip. arizona congressman raul grijalva joins me next. head to southern california for a live report on effort there is to contain a large wildfire that tripled in size the last few days. changing the world is exhausting business. with the innovating and the transforming and the revolutionizing. it's enough to make you forget