conversation, about what gun culture is and what it should be are people part of that culture, the folks right now as i'm speaking to you may be drinking cocktails and celebrating victories at the hilton in downtown houston. joining me is author. and joining me, mr. cummings, democrat from maryland. you wrote this book and you and i have had conversations about gun culture. i want to get your reaction to what i just said. here's how i feel having this conversation. i feel everyone who is a liberal who doesn't own a gun is in this weird defensive crouch they have to apologize for not being part of gun culture and tipping their head they understand gun culture is an important thing. i want to say, look, guns are destructive things that do a lot of damage. i think it's fine to come into the conversation with real skepticism and trepidation about how they're regulated and managed. >> that's fine.