immigration. on the topics of guns and immigration, look at what congressman jack kingston, smart guy from georgia, told "the new york times" about what backing he gets back home. "there was a lot of washington talk about the gun bills possibilities but i never saw that reflected in the people at home. now there's all this buzz about the immigration reform. and that is not reflected, either." gene, all this -- these big polls reflect popular opinion including a lot of votes in the big cities and the suburbs. you get out into rural areas in this country, which is a lot of this country, conservative views on guns and immigration. >> that's true. but those numbers are not insignificant. if you've got 86% who say they favor something -- >> it should include the rural areas. >> by nature, you're using the bully pulpit pretty wells right? because he's got public o pin whereon on his side, on these issues. now, maybe there's some level of trust of confidence reflected in that second group of figures where it's much closer.