lgbt athletes. >> i don't spend a lot of time in nba locker rooms and you have, is the culture in those places -- i know that what culture is, i know what people dropping an "f" word against someone or a slur on a pick-up game in a locker room, i've seen that, of course. is that the culture? >> no, i think that's softened, chris. rutgers notwithstanding. >> yeah, right, we saw the rutgers coach fired partly for using precisely -- i think as a man or boy has played organized s sports has heard that o word a lot. >> things have softened because a lot of athletes have family members who are gay. so that stuff has softened. but there's this precisely this berlin wall that just has to do with this sexuality and this myth of manhood and what it is and what it isn't. and the nakt that collifact tha