look at omar abdel-rahman, the blind sheik. >> right. >> he is probably on the religious scale way higher than ayman al zawahiri. when he was arrested in court, not one muslim demonstration in the world came out in support. how many demonstrations we have in supporting bin laden's bodyguards and guantanamo. i think when we do it by the book, when we do it in accordance with our values, when we do it in accordance with our principle, we win. we win on every level. we counter narrative, but also we have the ability to convict these individuals and bring justice to all the victims. today, for example, in guantanamo bay, we had hundreds of people who are still in custody in guantanamo bay. at one point we had more than 500, 600 people in guantanamo bay. we're able to convict only seven people. and most of them are back at their homeland. >> at the military tribunals? >> at the military tribunals.