need to be punished for that crime. and this system, our federal system is one of the best systems in dealing with al qaeda, in dealing with terrorism. i'll give you an example. since 9/11 until today, we had probably about more than 165, 170 cases of terrorism disruption that happened in the united states. each one of these suspects were read their rights. each one of these suspects gave great amount of intelligence to the law enforcement and the intelligence communities that helped tremendously in understanding networks and disrupting plots, arresting other people. and then we were able to convict them in a court of law where they are in jail and probably they will never see the light of day again. so this is extremely important. this is also extremely important to counter narrative of al qaeda. >> in what way? >> because they wanted the people to look at them in the muslim world, that they are mujahedeen, they are doing something bigger than themselves. but you know what? they are not. they are nothing but criminals.