combatant. >> this idea has been put forward by several members of the senate. i don't think it stands scrutiny. we are talking about people who are american citizens formally and in one case moving that direction in the other. there's no record historically that treating people as enemy combatants gets more information or testimony. the conviction record is actually quite good in normal courts. we were talking about this before. the purpose of terrorism is to disrupt. why should we somehow move away from the institutions that make us who we are in one of the things that make our country great is the legal system and rule of law. why make ourselves the issue now and move away from what it is? this is the right thing to do. >> what is the argument from those saying that we shouldn't read this guy's miranda rights? >> the word if you go down that path they won't give you the information, that they will clam up and delay it and if there are foreign links or plans to do other things, they will use the american legal protections that they ought not to be able to,