it's not just policy, these are lives. one of the things you're doing as part of the dream is now, is immigration reform advocates and activists are doing, is showing america that there's humanity at the root of this. and just how important it is that we consider that people's lives are on the line. and i think that's a huge amount in terms of changing the tenor and the terms of the debate. >> that's my hope. i hope when people see this 30-minute film broadcast on this network on msnbc on sunday. >> where you get to meet the dreamers and see the human face of this issue. i was walking through congress yesterday showing the movie to members of the senate and the congress. and it was chilling, alex. you see these -- young, bright people whose lives are at stake. and ola, who said to speaker pelosi, leader pelosi, says you know your vote is my future and she burst into tears. these kids are incredible, they've got so much potential.