everybody said it wouldn't happen. this is not a soft deal. this is actually less symbolism. it's one of these wonderful times, sam, in politics, where the easiest thing to do may be the most important thing to do. >> there has always been two conversations, right? there are instances of mass killing in which an assault weapon ban does have an effect and a magazine -- >> and those get massive headlines. >> and 90% of all gun violence done via handguns. in which case you have the gun show loophole and internet loopholes and that matter. the sun times had a story about a guy got a gun and didn't have to go through background checks on an internet sell. these are the type of things that happened with respect to gun violence every day in america and this bill will have more effect on that than i think an assault weapons ban would have. >> when this debate started this